Currently the Town of Hammonton website is run by the same company that controls the Hammonton First Website in Blackwood, NJ. The problem with that is that when something happens, the website can not be updated to provide the information to the public. A good example is what happened this week with the Halloween parade. First, due to the weather, the parade was postponed from Wednesday night to Thursday night. But the only place the general public could find that out was on Channel 13, the Hammonton Democratic website and the Hammonton First website. Then on Thursday it was postponed again, this time until Tuesday 10/30 and again the same three places were the only spots to get the information. The public should be able to go to the Town website for information such as this. What if it was something more urgent that the public needed to know quickly. We have everything we need at town level to provide this service, we should fix this now.
There are no what if's. I do not work in our town and don't know of these things until I get home. I want to be able to look at the website and find out immediately. Once again, it's he HF's world and we just live in it.
Since moving to this town five years ago I thought the town i came from was screwed up, but this place takes the cake. NO tax increase for two years?, HF cuts 1.5 million dollars from the 2000 town budget and freezes all types of captial spending items. In 2007 they give the town's departments a increase of about 50% of the money THAT WAS cut in 2006. WONDER WHY THERE HAS BEEN NO TAX INCREASE? HOW CAN YOU INCREASE TAXES WHEN THE BUDGETS WERE CUT? I pitey the poor new council members who get elected in this election. When the towns departments budgets are brought back to the levels which they should be based on increases which will all face, them poor council members will be drug thru the mud when there blamed for increase which they were dealt BY NO TAX INCREASE. ALSO I'VE READ WHERE HF LOVE"S VOLUNTEERS, I"VE READ RESPONSES FORM JERRY B. THANKING VOLUNTEERS FOR THERE SERVICES, I GUESS HE MEANS PLANTING FLOWERS, (NOT THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE THANKS) BUT I SEEN THE RESPONSES FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. WHY DON'T HE LOOK INTO WHAT IF WOULD COST THIS TOWN OR ANY OTHER TOWN FOR PAID SERVICES. I HAVE SEEN THEM AT SCHOOLS WITH THE CHILDREN FOR FIRE PREVENTION, IN FRONT OF WAL-MART, AND I BELEAVE THE RUN THE TOWN'S CHRISTMAS PARADE.____ FOR FREE___. IF THAT ISN'T VOLUNTEER I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS. DO ME AND MY WIFE A FAVOR, DON'T EVEN WASTE YOU TIME AND REPLY TO THIS BECAUSE WHERE TIRED OF HEARING B_____T.
With today's technology, at relatively little or no cost, websites can be updated instantly by any secretary at town hall. Especially in this post 9/11 world, we need emergency information instantly. This is a public safety issue as far as I am concerned.
They also have stopped putting the town meetings on the website. After getting a great write up in the Press and they proclaiming "See we're all about open government" now the government is closed again.
None of the other tabs are updated either. No real estate for sale updates no nothing. Way to attract new people and new business. Another up yours from the Hammonton First.
Mike Ammirrato is trying to backpedal on telling the soccer kids they would have to go back the other fields and not expand the fields on Boyer Ave.
Here is a real simple question with a yes or no answer. Are the Democrats backing the mayor's current plan to expand the Boyer Ave soccer fields? Yes or No.
Where in the hell do you get your ideas??? Michael made a statement, it's not that hard to understand, except for you. Mike stands by his statement. The other fields are available and Mike pointed that out. Of course we stand by the Boyer Avenue site. We have too much invested in it to change course now. But we do not necessarily support the Mayor's plan because there is no clear and defined funding source to get it done.
Where in the hell do you get your ideas??? Michael made a statement, it's not that hard to understand, except for you. Mike stands by his statement. The other fields are available and Mike pointed that out. Of course we stand by the Boyer Avenue site. We have too much invested in it to change course now. But we do not necessarily support the Mayor's plan because there is no clear and defined funding source to get it done.
It sure sounds from the above like you are against expanding Boyer Ave and would rather have the extra soccer games which are above the capacity of the facility be played somewhere else. It sounds like you would vote NO on the mayor's plan. Is that correct?
I am sure we can all remember how the Hammonton First Mayor and Council awarded the old town hall building work to the Mayor's cousin.
What a shady bidding arrangement that was. Break up the work in to so many smaller contracts just to give the work to a few pre-selected contractors including his cousin.
Oh and what happened when the Mayor's cousin wanted more money to complete the work he was already contracted to do for a fixed price.
Yes, boys and girls that is right they just gave him more money. It is just that easy when you are King, I mean Prince John and you have the "I Know Everything Ed" to argue the point until everyone is completely exhausted from just listening to him go on and on and on and on saying really nothing until no one can even remember the question.
We need to get back to the original postfailure to be able to update the towns web site in an efficient manner is irresponsible and negligent.a characteristic trait of Hammonton Me First politics.
<b>The town never had a website before Hammonton First. In fact, the televised meetings were impossible to watch. The sound quality was awful and the Democrats and Republicans sat with their backs to the camera so no one saw them.
Now, it's easy to see and hear. Also, the website is donated. Why would the Democrats want to pay their friends for a website rather than the town run the website and have it donated?
http://www.townofhammonton.org/underconstruction.html Please Check Back SoonWe are continuing to update the Web site with new information to better serve you.
Your patience is greatly appreciated.NOTHING - AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 14 TO 16 MONTHS
OVER A YEAR WASTED AND NOTHING WAS DONE ON THE TOWN'S WEB SITE
<b>The town never had a website before Hammonton First. In fact, the televised meetings were impossible to watch. The sound quality was awful and the Democrats and Republicans sat with their backs to the camera so no one saw them.
Now, it's easy to see and hear. Also, the website is donated. Why would the Democrats want to pay their friends for a website rather than the town run the website and have it donated?
The Democrats don't want to pay anyone, it can still be donated, but it is a very simple matter to allow access by the Town Clerk or the Technology Coordinator to put updates like the ones we are discussing. And televising the town meetings were started by the Dems and Reps, I sat in on some of the meetings with the Comcast representatives. In the beginning the quality was poor. As time went on Comcast worked with the town to get it to the quality we see today.
http://www.townofhammonton.org/underconstruction.htmlPlease Check Back SoonWe are continuing to update the Web site with new information to better serve you.
Your patience is greatly appreciated.NOTHING - AND IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 14 TO 16 MONTHSTHAT IS MORE THAN A YEAR WASTED AND NOTHING BEING DONE WITH THE TOWN WEB SITEThe Town web site is just another empty shell of a promise by the mayor and the hammonton-me-first con artists. Just like the empty shell town hall building - no furniture, few parking spaces, no money for other necessities, no money to complete site work Just like the community center that was promised but we see only pretty pictures - no funding Just like the recreation plans, pretty pictures - no funding Just like the save the hospital - all talk and no funding Just like acknowledging the year long & life long town volunteers - no support, no interest, reduced funding Just like the Mayor's phony charges against the Police Chief that he now wants to blame on others - takes no responsibly for his own actions
Me thinks that the Fat Lady is about to sing on the hammonton First group.They just don't get it. They have no friends and can't wait until all the public knows just whay they've been up to.... helping themselves. They are frauds,crooks, cowards,liars, not to mention snakes and doule crossers. Just can't wait. What was the big meeting all about today, how they are going to lie their way out of this one. Bye-Bye hammonton first Corporation you have made enough off of the honest hard working Hammonton people that you only make fun of behind their backs.
Is there any truth to the rumors of investigations going on in Hammonton by the State? I heard there were letters received by several town officials recently.
Maybe Hammonton First can hold another "master-bate" with cheer leader Sammy " the bull****er" Rodio leading the pack. I don't know what is wrong with them but all they do is lie. Why is it all good if they do it, and all wrong if the others do it.Many great people have given a life time to this town and they are just some Johnny come lately that have save the day. All of a sudden "It's all good, my answer to that is " It's all Bull****" maybe they should try growing mushrooms, the could grow the largest ones you could have ever see. Please Hammonton rid us of them ASAP, before it's to late.Vote them out before they take you property away..............
Is there any truth to the rumors of investigations going on in Hammonton by the State? I heard there were letters received by several town officials recently.
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Me thiks so... but they won't tell the truth.I don't think they were having tea as a group in the meeting this afternoon.Also hear several newspapers are looking around. Fat Lady is about to sing loud and clear.
<b>The town never had a website before Hammonton First. In fact, the televised meetings were impossible to watch. The sound quality was awful and the Democrats and Republicans sat with their backs to the camera so no one saw them.
Now, it's easy to see and hear. Also, the website is donated. Why would the Democrats want to pay their friends for a website rather than the town run the website and have it donated?
-- Edited by Admin at 22:36, 2007-10-26
YOU HAVE TO LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE JUST MAKE STORIES UP AS THEY GO ALONG WITHOUT ANY REAL INFORMATION
THE TOWN HAD A WEB SITE FOR YEARS BEFORE hammonton-first CAME ALONG
THE TOWN'S ORIGINAL WEB SITE WAS DONE BY A LOCAL RESIDENT AS A VOLUNTEERTHE WEB SITE WAS THEN MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN CLERKS OFFICE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, INFORMATION WAS KEPT CURRENT BUT IT WAS JUST IN NEED OF NEW UPDATED LOOKTHE MAYOR GAVE THE WORK TO AN OUT OF TOWN COMPANY THAT CHARGES THE TOWN FOR SERVICES RELATED TO THEIR WORK, THE TOWN WEB SITE IS NOT DONATEDTHE TOWN MEETING VIDEO AND AUDIO QUALITY WAS IMPROVED DIRECTLY BY THE GOOD WORK AND TECHNICAL SKILLS OF THE TOWNS FULL TIME TECHNOLOGY PERSON, THAT PERSON WAS HIRED IN 2005, AGAIN BEFORE ANY hammonton-first MAYOR & COUNCIL WERE IN OFFICE
<b>The town never had a website before Hammonton First. In fact, the televised meetings were impossible to watch. The sound quality was awful and the Democrats and Republicans sat with their backs to the camera so no one saw them.
Now, it's easy to see and hear. Also, the website is donated. Why would the Democrats want to pay their friends for a website rather than the town run the website and have it donated?
-- Edited by Admin at 22:36, 2007-10-26
If the website was actually running and update, you'd have a more valid point. The fact is the website is second rate. The website can be updated by high school kids if you have a problem with having to pay someone. High school kids can even maintain the tv channel and actually create powerpoint slides that aren't boring and dull like the ones we have now.
<b>The town never had a website before Hammonton First. In fact, the televised meetings were impossible to watch. The sound quality was awful and the Democrats and Republicans sat with their backs to the camera so no one saw them.
Now, it's easy to see and hear. Also, the website is donated. Why would the Democrats want to pay their friends for a website rather than the town run the website and have it donated?
-- Edited by Admin at 22:36, 2007-10-26
You are such a liar. LIES LIES LIE. The town had a website before Hammonton First.
Want to know the best part? According to the archive, the most changes ever made on the website came in 2005, the year BEFORE Hammonton First was elected.
Don't get fooled again people. They'll lie, they'll cheat, they'll say anything to get elected.
Is there any truth to the rumors of investigations going on in Hammonton by the State? I heard there were letters received by several town officials recently.
Is there any truth to the rumors of investigations going on in Hammonton by the State? I heard there were letters received by several town officials recently.
What is this about?
I can only hope that if town officials or council candidates are involved in some sort of government corruption case, they would come forward before the election, and save our town further embarassment. Maybe it is nothing, but if there is indeed something going down, let's hope those involved do the honorable thing and step down from their seats or their candidacy, whomever it may be.
Want to know the best part? According to the archive, the most changes ever made on the website came in 2005, the year BEFORE Hammonton First was elected.
Don't get fooled again people. They'll lie, they'll cheat, they'll say anything to get elected.
The hammonton-me-first lie-masters oh did I say lie I mean spin-masters will have a new story to cover their a$$ on this issue like every of B$ stunt they have pulled since they were first elected. They never let the truth get in the way of their schemes.
It was a record-breaking crowd at Hammonton Lake Park.
See you on July 4, 2007!
Sincerely, Shelley Weckerly, Event Chairperson Mayor John DiDonato Deputy Mayor Jeanne Sparacino Lewis All July 4th Volunteers The Hammonton Parks and Recreation Commission The Town of Hammonton
He will be the Last-Firster how nice, but it will be a long time before anyone forgets their reign of fraud and abuse. He was the mascot of the HF council bully tag team of prince john, almighty ed and what's her name, you know the other one that just sits there waiting for a chance to open her mouth and join the attack against anyone that dares to ask a real question.
It seems that rather than ranting, you should answer actual real questions. Here are some easy yes or no questions. It really only takes one word, no reason to spin.
1. Do the Democrats support the Republican's idea to allow neighboring towns to hook into Hammonton's sewer system?
2. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to expand Boyer Avenue's soccer field, add facilities, add safe parking at the lake and keep the Hawks at the lake?
3. Do the Democrats rather support the Republican's "master plan" which would leave Boyer Ave "as is", have the extra soccer games on other fields around town, leave the lake park as is, and force the Hawks to move to another field?
4. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to build a senior / community center at the lake using grant money from the State?
It seems that rather than ranting, you should answer actual real questions. Here are some easy yes or no questions. It really only takes one word, no reason to spin.
1. Do the Democrats support the Republican's idea to allow neighboring towns to hook into Hammonton's sewer system?
2. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to expand Boyer Avenue's soccer field, add facilities, add safe parking at the lake and keep the Hawks at the lake?
3. Do the Democrats rather support the Republican's "master plan" which would leave Boyer Ave "as is", have the extra soccer games on other fields around town, leave the lake park as is, and force the Hawks to move to another field?
4. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to build a senior / community center at the lake using grant money from the State?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
How's that campaign finance report coming? Any comments. I would thank you in advance for your answer but I know you won't answer. As far as the Democrats, they've been the most vocal and have many items detailed in their website. Best of all, they're not afraid to answer questions in person. I asked a Hammonton First Town council candidate why is that they haven't revealed their report yet and they just WALKED AWAY. What's the big secret???????
It seems that rather than ranting, you should answer actual real questions. Here are some easy yes or no questions. It really only takes one word, no reason to spin.
1. Do the Democrats support the Republican's idea to allow neighboring towns to hook into Hammonton's sewer system?We don't have enough information on this subject. The first we heard of this idea was in the papers just like you. We are not like you who just dismiss it because it is a Republican idea, we will listen to all proposals and then determine the best course of action.
2. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to expand Boyer Avenue's soccer field, add facilities, add safe parking at the lake and keep the Hawks at the lake? We don't have enough information. We have seen all the pretty pictures being held up, but we have not heard any definite plans to fund this project.
3. Do the Democrats rather support the Republican's "master plan" which would leave Boyer Ave "as is", have the extra soccer games on other fields around town, leave the lake park as is, and force the Hawks to move to another field? No
4. Do the Democrats support the mayor's plan to build a senior / community center at the lake using grant money from the State? No, the seniors are against this plan.
Thank you in advance for your answers.
It is very interesting that just before the elections we get shown all of these pretty pictures but we can't show how we will pay for any of these projects. It sounds like more promises like the Town Hall at $5.9 million. Promise this to get elected and then fail to deliver after.
If the Dems or Reps are elected, the Hawks and soccer kids can kiss the new projects HF has setup goodbye. This town will go back to the way it was for years. All talk with nothing ever getting done. OH and yes, your taxes will go up too.
If the Dems or Reps are elected, the Hawks and soccer kids can kiss the new projects HF has setup goodbye. This town will go back to the way it was for years. All talk with nothing ever getting done. Oh and yes, your taxes will go up too.
HF has a lot of nice projects lined up for next year along with carefully watching to keep taxes down.
If the Dems or Reps are elected, the Hawks and soccer kids can kiss the new projects HF has setup goodbye. This town will go back to the way it was for years. All talk with nothing ever getting done. OH and yes, your taxes will go up too.
If you've paid any attention at all you would know that the Democrats are committed to improving the recreational facilities in our town. The Hawks and soccer kids can look forward to even more improvements if the Democrats are elected. However, we will not borrow all of the funds to get these projects done. All that will do is drive the debt even higher and that will cause our taxes to go up. We will not strap our kids and grankids with even more debt than you already have. The improvements will come but with a better plan than the "borrow and spend" plan we have now.
Anonymous wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the Dems or Reps are elected, the Hawks and soccer kids can kiss the new projects HF has setup goodbye. This town will go back to the way it was for years. All talk with nothing ever getting done. OH and yes, your taxes will go up too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh shut up alredy. Neither Dems or Reps said they'd stop ANY project in town. Question though, how many of your candidates are under indictment, if any?
If the Dems or Reps are elected, the Hawks and soccer kids can kiss the new projects HF has setup goodbye. This town will go back to the way it was for years. All talk with nothing ever getting done. Oh and yes, your taxes will go up too.
HF has a lot of nice projects lined up for next year along with carefully watching to keep taxes down.
It would be hard on the taxpayers to go bqck to the days before HF when taxes skyrocketed every year. Anthony Falcone was voting to give out one bod contracts for $50,000 more than other companies would do the same work. Jim MacLane was leasing all kinds of things at the school and running up the debt. Hopefully we'll never see that nonsense again.
When Anthony Falcone was on council in 2005, he voted for just about all bond ordinances that were discussed. That council took Hammonton to it's highest debt levels ever. Now the Democrats are saying high debt is bad. I guess they are admitting Falcone was wrong. Now they are running him again, so I guess he's supposed to be telling us he learned from his mistakes with regards to managing the public's money.
How about this "underconstruction" blank page for Kessler Hospital on the MAYOR's new and improved TOWN Web site for the last 16 months. Selected from main menu list on the town web site Health & Safety / Kessler Memorial Hospital http://www.townofhammonton.org/underconstruction.html Please Check Back Soon We are continuing to update the Web site with new information to better serve you.
Your patience is greatly appreciated.
Nothing There Another BIG ZERO, from the Mayor on the Town's Web
When Anthony Falcone was on council in 2005, he voted for just about all bond ordinances that were discussed. That council took Hammonton to it's highest debt levels ever. Now the Democrats are saying high debt is bad. I guess they are admitting Falcone was wrong. Now they are running him again, so I guess he's supposed to be telling us he learned from his mistakes with regards to managing the public's money.
Keeping taxes down in NJ has been something the the Democrats and Republicans have failed to do statewide. Both parties have taxed and spent this State to the poor house. I am glad that Hammonton has different leadership and no tax increases two years in a row!
Anthony Falcone and the Democrats keep wanting to spin things. Falcone was part of the 2005 council that took debt up to the highest levels in the town's history. In 2006, when HF came to office, they voted Falcone's crazy ideas down and reduced debt by $570K. Now the Dems want to say Falcone knows how to reduce debt? Really. If he knew how, why did he vote to make it so high in the first place?
What you call spin, we call facts. The debt went to the highest levels in history and Anthony put the brakes on. The next year while Anthony was still on council heworked very hard to start decreasing the amount of debt. As soon as he left council the spending resumed and the debt went right back up.
The Mayor's NEW and IMPROVED Web Site has not been updated during the last year or more but the OLD information is INTERESTING. Select : DOWNTOWN / GRANTS RECEIVED
Downtown Town Hall/CommunityCtr.Federal Appropriation2004$250,000.00 Downtown Sidewalk ImprovementsFederal Appropriation2004$200,000.00 Town Clock RestorationDoctor Streitfeld2004$1,200.00 Smart Planning GrantSmart Growth2002$55,000.00 TEA-21 Phase IIIFederal TEA-21 Funds2002$250,000.00 2001Parking ImprovementsTown of Hammonton2001$150,000.00 Front Street Pedestrian Path and BikeTrailNJ State Transportation Aid2001$125,000.00 RotaryPark Rotary Club 2001$30,000.00 Street Tree Planting GrantNJ Dept. of Forestry2001$15,000.00 TEA-21 Phase IIFederal TEA-21 Funds2001$160,000.00 TEA-21 Phase IFederal TEA-21 Funds2000$173,000.00 HOME Rehabilitation IINJ Dept. of Community Affairs and Federal HOME Funds1999$100,000.00 HOME Rehabilitation INJ Dept. of Community Affairs and Federal HOME Funds1997$50,000.00 Leo ClubPark Lions Club1997$93,000.00 Neighborhood Preservation ProgramNJ Dept of Community Affairs1995$430,000.00 Train Station Rehab and Misc.ImprovementsHUD1994$400,000.00 Total Grant Funding and Donated Project Funds Awarded$2,482,200.00 from 1993 to 2004
The Mayor's NEW and IMPROVED Web Site has not been updated during the last year or more but the OLD information is INTERESTING. DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT GROUND BREAKING OCCURRED IN THE FALL OF 2004but we all know the some downtown property owners stalled the project by not signing the necessary paperwork so that the work could be done, why would those property owners want to stall this project in 2005?
http://www.townofhammonton.org/sidewalkstreetscapeproject.html Downtown Sidewalk & Streetscape Project Under the direction of Main Street Hammonton Executive Director, Dr. John Woods, over $1,200,000 in Federal and State Grants have been received since 1997. These grants will go directly toward upgrading the physical appearance in downtown Hammonton. Sidewalks, curbing, benches, planters, trees and various other improvements will all be replaced and upgraded as part of this ambitious project.The project began by Dr. Woods drawing a plan of the entire downtown area. This included consolidated parking, new sidewalks, parks, and handicapped accessibility. This plan was then divided into phases. Working with the Grant-Writer, Planner and Engineer, these plans were formalized and grants were sought out to turn these plans into a reality. Ground breaking occurred on Phase I of the project in the Fall of 2004.Phase I and II will connect the existing NJ Transit Train Station on Line Street to the Downtown Area with a landscaped, park area and walking and biking trail. Phase III and IV will replace and upgrade all of the curbing, sidewalks, benches, planters, trees and landscaping along Bellevue Avenue and 12th Street. The project area is from Third Street to West End Avenue. The final Phase of the Project will be along Bellevue Avenue from Third Street to Tilton Street and along Central Avenue from Bellevue Avenue to Vine Street. Some of the side streets that intersect will Bellevue Avenue will also eventually be part of this project.
I heard someone say that the downtown property owners that stalled the improvement work were part of the group the created the HammontonFirst party in 2005.
I drove by the new town hall yesterday and saw all that brick on the building. The Dems had been telling everyone the building didn't have brick. I guess they have been caught again making things up.
You don't have to go to the Hammonton First website to see the chat, click on the lin below to watch it. While you watch it, pay attention to the fact that they never say how they will fund this project. They will either have to raise taxes or borrow even more money to get it done. The Democrats are committed to getting this facility completed with the proper restroom facilities, but we have to do it within our means and without raising the debt.
You don't have to go to the Hammonton First website to see the chat, click on the lin below to watch it. While you watch it, pay attention to the fact that they never say how they will fund this project. They will either have to raise taxes or borrow even more money to get it done. The Democrats are committed to getting this facility completed with the proper restroom facilities, but we have to do it within our means and without raising the debt.
OK, here is a question. Hammonton First has already gotten new fields done at Boyer Ave and it committed to expanding the projects as you can see on the video.
The Democrats claim they are in favor of this. You are opposed by Hammonton First's plans which have prirotized some projects and kept taxes at zero.
How will the Democrats fund this project, or will you not do it at all?
So instead of answering the question and telling us how Hammonton First is going to fund the projects they are proposing, you want us to give you the solution. Nice Try! We see the pretty pictures being held up for the cameras, now how will you fund these projects?
As explained, Hammonton First is going to work on Phase III of the Boyer Ave fields to add more fields, a 1.5 mile walking track, etc. It was all laid out on the Hammonton First webchat which people can watch at their leisure.
HF is continuing to do all the projects listed with a combination of grants as well as carefully only taking on new projects as older projects are paid down. This has enabled there to be no tax increase the past two years while the debt levels for the town dropped from the record levels that existed when HF took office.
Now if you feel the above is a bad idea, how do the Democrats plan to do the project or are you like the Republicans where you have decided not to do it at all?
As explained, Hammonton First is going to work on Phase III of the Boyer Ave fields to add more fields, a 1.5 mile walking track, etc. It was all laid out on the Hammonton First webchat which people can watch at their leisure.
HF is continuing to do all the projects listed with a combination of grants as well as carefully only taking on new projects as older projects are paid down. This has enabled there to be no tax increase the past two years while the debt levels for the town dropped from the record levels that existed when HF took office.
Now if you feel the above is a bad idea, how do the Democrats plan to do the project or are you like the Republicans where you have decided not to do it at all?
How come the mayor never mentions the additional $11 million in debt incurred THIS YEAR (town hall bulding and boyer ave.)
As long as taking on new projects doesn't mean taking on new debt, the plan seems a good one. But that is not how it has been presented to the public. But we haven't heard this from the Mayor or any of the candidates. The webchat seems to indicate that we will see Phase III starting tomorrow. We don't know how much if any grants there are available to determine how much the town will be responsible for. There is still a lot of work to do to get the funding in place.
As explained, Hammonton First is going to work on Phase III of the Boyer Ave fields to add more fields, a 1.5 mile walking track, etc. It was all laid out on the Hammonton First webchat which people can watch at their leisure.
HF is continuing to do all the projects listed with a combination of grants as well as carefully only taking on new projects as older projects are paid down. This has enabled there to be no tax increase the past two years while the debt levels for the town dropped from the record levels that existed when HF took office.
Now if you feel the above is a bad idea, how do the Democrats plan to do the project or are you like the Republicans where you have decided not to do it at all?
How come the mayor never mentions the additional $11 million in debt incurred THIS YEAR (town hall bulding and boyer ave.)
That's $11 Million! THAT'S BIG DEBT.
The town hall was first voted on all the way back in 2003 for $9M. Fortunately, the actual final bond will be $5.9M.
But the bond that was approved by council included, 144 parking places, a community center, demolition of existing town hall, relocation of historical society, site work, furnishings, landscaping. It has already been acknowledged that the only thing we will be getting for the $5.9 million is the building itself. Everything else is extra. We already had to take money from a federal grant to pay for the historical society move.
But the bond that was approved by council included, 144 parking places, a community center, demolition of existing town hall, relocation of historical society, site work, furnishings, landscaping. It has already been acknowledged that the only thing we will be getting for the $5.9 million is the building itself. Everything else is extra. We already had to take money from a federal grant to pay for the historical society move.
You are correct. The town only has to borrow $5.9M for town hall.
That is a lot less than the original plan the Republicans had voted to borrow. On Ordinance 22 of 2003 they had voted to borrow $9M.
As explained, Hammonton First is going to work on Phase III of the Boyer Ave fields to add more fields, a 1.5 mile walking track, etc. It was all laid out on the Hammonton First webchat which people can watch at their leisure.
HF is continuing to do all the projects listed with a combination of grants as well as carefully only taking on new projects as older projects are paid down. This has enabled there to be no tax increase the past two years while the debt levels for the town dropped from the record levels that existed when HF took office.
Now if you feel the above is a bad idea, how do the Democrats plan to do the project or are you like the Republicans where you have decided not to do it at all?
How come the mayor never mentions the additional $11 million in debt incurred THIS YEAR (town hall bulding and boyer ave.)
That's $11 Million! THAT'S BIG DEBT.
The town hall was first voted on all the way back in 2003 for $9M. Fortunately, the actual final bond will be $5.9M.
Nothing is final until the old town hall is demolished. Nothing is final until the first town employee clocks in to work in the new town hall. Then you can say you can know the final cost. We were promised $5.9 for the town hall, demolition, moving, etc as well as the townwide community center which many hoped would be downtown. I think Town Council did things in reverse. The town hall should have been on Egg Harbor Road while the Community Center should have been downtown.
But the bond that was approved by council included, 144 parking places, a community center, demolition of existing town hall, relocation of historical society, site work, furnishings, landscaping. It has already been acknowledged that the only thing we will be getting for the $5.9 million is the building itself. Everything else is extra. We already had to take money from a federal grant to pay for the historical society move.
You are correct. The town only has to borrow $5.9M for town hall.
That is a lot less than the original plan the Republicans had voted to borrow. On Ordinance 22 of 2003 they had voted to borrow $9M.
It is really weird. It is almost like people are hoping things go badly. Let's all look at the positive. The town's debt is going down, taxes are staying the same, ratables are up (over $1 billion), projects are getting completed.
Things are going well.
Now before you attack each phrase... of course not every ratable in the $1B is because of HF. A lot of people come into town simply because it looks great, things are moving forward, and it makes business sense. That is the whole point. Town council has to keep moving projects forward to help everyone.
It is really weird. It is almost like people are hoping things go badly. Let's all look at the positive. The town's debt is going down, taxes are staying the same, ratables are up (over $1 billion), projects are getting completed.
Things are going well.
Now before you attack each phrase... of course not every ratable in the $1B is because of HF. A lot of people come into town simply because it looks great, things are moving forward, and it makes business sense. That is the whole point. Town council has to keep moving projects forward to help everyone.
Town council should move projects forward to help everyone. I'm still waiting. My road has a dip, my well water most likely has been contaminated. My next door neighbor told me that there's no money for tree removal of his tree. He's lucky he doesn't have a sidewalk. With all this talk of progress, when are home North of the White Horse Pike going to see progress. I think things will more positive once we get rid of those who embarrassed our town with the charges against the chief and the party that almost brought us the KKK to town. Hammonton has always been a great place to live, work and play. We almost have our town back. Vote your conscience for the best candidates who will not allow HF to continue their vendettas.
As explained, Hammonton First is going to work on Phase III of the Boyer Ave fields to add more fields, a 1.5 mile walking track, etc. It was all laid out on the Hammonton First webchat which people can watch at their leisure.
HF is continuing to do all the projects listed with a combination of grants as well as carefully only taking on new projects as older projects are paid down. This has enabled there to be no tax increase the past two years while the debt levels for the town dropped from the record levels that existed when HF took office.
Now if you feel the above is a bad idea, how do the Democrats plan to do the project or are you like the Republicans where you have decided not to do it at all?
What is great is that HF also has repaved 10 roads in town... more than has been done in a long time. In 2008, HF has slated five more roads to be done. All this with no tax increases the past two years!
Anonymous wrote:What is great is that HF also has repaved 10 roads in town... more than has been done in a long time. In 2008, HF has slated five more roads to be done. All this with no tax increases the past two years!
It's true, in only two years, the town debt has only gone up $11 Million minimum. In two years, there's only been one town employee tried in a public hearing for not wearing a uniform he didn't have to wear. In only two years we've blown $3 million of town surplus. In only two years we've repaved the roads around the councilmen's businesses; built them a new town hall; trucked 700 loads of town dirt to their private construction sites; shut down municipal water and sewer oversight commitees; froze public projects all over town; left thousands of children to play soccer in the woods without bathrooms; left trees dying around town without the smallest amount of budget to cut them down; forced town employees to use hand and eye scanners to punch into work everyday; moved public bus transportation out of the center of town; dropped out of county and state grant programs to help senior citizens; gave our solicitor an unrequested raise of $10,000.....
SO MUCH HAS GONE ON IN TWO YEARS! VOTE FOR US AGAIN SO WE CAN FINISH THE JOB OF HOOKING OURSELVES UP ON YOUR DIME!
They don't have any roads "slated" yet, they have applied for money from the state but have no set plans for what they will do till they see how much they get. And that is the prudent approach. Wait and see what help we can get and then they can accurately plan what can be done.
They don't have any roads "slated" yet, they have applied for money from the state but have no set plans for what they will do till they see how much they get. And that is the prudent approach. Wait and see what help we can get and then they can accurately plan what can be done.
See? We agree. HF is using the prudent approach and carefully moving forward.
So now you have gone from claiming that the Mayor already has five new roads on the books to now he is taking the prudent approach. You have contradicted yourself, but that's OK as long as you are serious about takng the prudent approach. That is what the Dems have been saying and we are glad that you are listening.
Maybe someone can help me here. I'm a senior citizen in Hammonton. A couple of years ago I voted for Hammonton First becuase they said if I did I would get a Senior Discount Card from the Town that would get me cheap heating oil and discounts on produce. I also voted for them becuase they said they were going to build a senior center along with the Town Hall for just $5.9 million.
Well, here's the problem. I turned on the TV the other day and there was some guy in a red shirt... Jerry Barberry or Jerome Barberrio, well I'm not sure of his name but he is running for council. Anyway, he's up there on my television talking about how he is going to apply for some grants or money and build a senior center on the beach at the Hammonton Lake, if they get the money.
I assume you see my problem. I thought they had the money already with the $5.9 million. But more importantly, how do they expect me to walk across the beach on a lake to go play cards with my fellow senior citizens. I'm not going to drive two miles away then walk in sand and possibly blow out my ankle.
So now you have gone from claiming that the Mayor already has five new roads on the books to now he is taking the prudent approach. You have contradicted yourself, but that's OK as long as you are serious about takng the prudent approach. That is what the Dems have been saying and we are glad that you are listening.
Why do you just want to bash? HF has continual shown it careful weighs projects so that it can get them done without raising debt and without raising taxes. It's all good!
Anonymous wrote:Why do you just want to bash? HF has continual shown it careful weighs projects so that it can get them done without raising debt and without raising taxes. It's all good!
Good point. Hammonton First decided it wasn't important to run sewer to Boyer Ave so the thousands of kids playing soccer could go to the bathroom in a real lavatory. It was more important to them to build a fancy town hall to hold their town council meetins in.
What's more important to the voter? Bathrooms for their children playing soccer in the woods, or a new town hall for the Mayor?
GREAT JOB HAMMONTON FIRST! I CAN'T WAIT TO PAY MY TAXES AND BE IN AWE OF YOUR WONDERFUL BUILDING.
But the debt has gone UP this year, you have already admitted that!!!!
Jim, it;s gone down. Even if you use your numbers it shows the debt is lower at the end of the year than when HF took office. And again remember your calculations on the front of your website don't include the $2.5M payment from SJ Gas. Add that in and the debt dropped nicely. Sell off the industrial park land after Boyer Ave is completed and the debt drops more. Normal principal payments in 2008... more down.
Honestly, there is no way to get it to zero from over $18M in just two years. But if the town continues with belt tightening... and yes it's no fun but it's required... by the time some of the bonds reach maturity in 2013... only 6 years away... and this town can have extremely low debt.
Anonymous wrote:Jim, it;s gone down. Even if you use your numbers it shows the debt is lower at the end of the year than when HF took office.
How come the Mayor hasn't sold the notes for the town hall bond yet? When he does, we'll be another $6.5 million in debt.
Is he waiting for the Republicans and Democrats to come back into office?
Someone has to pay the contractor for Town Hall. Your party certainly hasn't done it yet. I feel sorry for the taxpayers The $5.9 is already factored into the town's debt. As soon as the project began, the $5.9M had to be included in the town's debt. However, it still hasn't been spent yet. You certainly would not want to pay interest on money you did not need yet? That would not be prudent.
Anonymous wrote: The $5.9 is already factored into the town's debt. As soon as the project began, the $5.9M had to be included in the town's debt. However, it still hasn't been spent yet. You certainly would not want to pay interest on money you did not need yet? That would not be prudent.
Caught in a lie again. The Mayor in quoting the 2006 audit, not an audit for this year. The project started in 2007. So if you ask the auditor, we now have an additional $6 million in debt plus $5 million in debt for Boyer ave.
$11 million dollars of debt for 2007. The mayor should start being factual when quoting numbers, not lying to the public for personal gain.
Anonymous wrote: The $5.9 is already factored into the town's debt. As soon as the project began, the $5.9M had to be included in the town's debt. However, it still hasn't been spent yet. You certainly would not want to pay interest on money you did not need yet? That would not be prudent.
Caught in a lie again. The Mayor in quoting the 2006 audit, not an audit for this year. The project started in 2007. So if you ask the auditor, we now have an additional $6 million in debt plus $5 million in debt for Boyer ave.
$11 million dollars of debt for 2007. The mayor should start being factual when quoting numbers, not lying to the public for personal gain.
No, let's try this again. Even though there wasn't much going on, the town had the new town hall in it's debt numbers since the project started. That was when the council voted for a $9M bond back in 2003. They actually did also spend money for professionals to research the many sites whch included the brewery, the White Horse Plke, Central and Vine, 11th Street, and heavens knows where else that building was supposed to go.
As for Boyer Ave, no it hasn't cost anywhere near $5M thus far (thank heavens). For completion of Phase III, the Mayor has already explained that the town will sell land at the industrial park to pay for it. That will also give the town a continuing tax base from commercial ratables built there.
No, let's try this again. Even though there wasn't much going on, the town had the new town hall in it's debt numbers since the project started. That was when the council voted for a $9M bond back in 2003. They actually did also spend money for professionals to research the many sites whch included the brewery, the White Horse Plke, Central and Vine, 11th Street, and heavens knows where else that building was supposed to go.
As for Boyer Ave, no it hasn't cost anywhere near $5M thus far (thank heavens). For completion of Phase III, the Mayor has already explained that the town will sell land at the industrial park to pay for it. That will also give the town a continuing tax base from commercial ratables built there.
You wordy answer does not address the point.
IN 2007 we incurred $11 million in debt from the Town Hall and Boyer Ave. You cen't explain your way out of that, becuase its fact and already done. I guess the town can wait until 2008 to learn how much debt we have. Oh well. Keep passing out the rotten fruit.
Anonymous wrote: No, let's try this again. Even though there wasn't much going on, the town had the new town hall in it's debt numbers since the project started. That was when the council voted for a $9M bond back in 2003. They actually did also spend money for professionals to research the many sites whch included the brewery, the White Horse Plke, Central and Vine, 11th Street, and heavens knows where else that building was supposed to go.
As for Boyer Ave, no it hasn't cost anywhere near $5M thus far (thank heavens). For completion of Phase III, the Mayor has already explained that the town will sell land at the industrial park to pay for it. That will also give the town a continuing tax base from commercial ratables built there.
I think the bashers aren't going to deal with logic. Read the above again.
Anonymous wrote:I think the bashers aren't going to deal with logic. Read the above again.
Okay big shot, time to quote to the 2006 audit:
EXHIBIT SC-17 (PAGE 116) General Capital Fund Statement of Bonds And Notes Authorized but not Issued for the year ending December 31,2006
I-06 - Construction of New Town Hall - $5,619,000 6-06 - Various Improvements - $1,116,435.00
Total $6,735,436.00
That's $6.7 million dollars of debt not reported as debt in the audit becuase it had not been issued in 2006.
STOP LYING. STOP TWISTING. THE MAYOR AND HAMMONTON FIRST HAS MISLED THE TOWN FOR TWO YEARS. THEY DID IT AGAIN WHEN TELLING THE NEWSPAPER DEBT WENT DOWN. TELL YOUR MAYOR TO START TELLING THE TRUTH, AND MAYBE WE'LL START TRUSTING HIM.
Oh, and just for sh-ts and giggles, you keep saying there was a $9 million bond authorized by Reps and Dems. The bond was actually $5.1 million dollars. LESS THAN WHAT HAMMONTON FIRST BONDED. That bond was cancelled in 2006 and replaced by the more expensive bond of $5.9 million.
THE GAME IS OVER. YOU'VE ALL BEEN CAUGHT IN LIES AND ABUSE OF POWER.
I don't think you are understanding the document. The town has to include those ordinances in it's overall debt report even though the money had not been spent yet. That's the law. The ordinance was passed and the money appropriated so the town has to account for it.
That is why the certified audtior (and Jim MacLane also) correctly did not "double count" it. No the debt does not go up by the amount you are discussing. Even the front web page of the Dems shows that.
I don't think you are understanding the document. The town has to include those ordinances in it's overall debt report even though the money had not been spent yet. That's the law. The ordinance was passed and the money appropriated so the town has to account for it.
That is why the certified audtior (and Jim MacLane also) correctly did not "double count" it. No the debt does not go up by the amount you are discussing. Even the front web page of the Dems shows that.
This has nothing to do with money being spent. The bonds weren't issued. They weren't included in the debt reporting. They aren't debt until they are issued.
Nice try. Go call you auditor so he can explain it for you.
Hammonton has awoken. You can't hide the truth. We aren't the cornpoke rednecks you think we are.
The information I presented on the front page of the website came from a different question asked of the Town, so I can't say whether it includes the amount we are now discussing. But if what you say is true, then why didn't the debt drop by $4,000,000 when HF reduced the bonds for the town hall?
Exhibit SC-8 Schedule of Deferred Charges for Future Taxation Construction of a new Town Hall - $5,519,000.00
The Mayor tells you he lowered the debt. He did that by quoting 2006 figures that deferred taxation to pay for Town Hall to a later date.
We are now at least $6 million more in debt for 2007. The bonds still haven't been issued, but they have to do it before the end of the year. Open you checkbooks Hammonton, you'll be paying for the Mayor's new building for 30 years.
I think you are on the right track now. You can bash irrationally. Facts aren't going to support your point and certainly the certified auditor (and Jim MacLane) both have numbers that don't jive with yours.
Why not have the Dems come up with new innovative ideas? It'll be tough to try to bash HF on keeping taxes down or overall town finances since that is their strong suit.
That would be like national Republicans trying to bash national Democrats on the environment. That is an issue that the national Democrats tend to be the leaders on. Or if the national Dems tried to bash the national Reps saying they were not conservative enough. Again, it's kind of backwards.
Come up with a really great new idea... not one that is simple designed as a backwards bash but instead a really new idea.... and that might show the voters something.
They don't have any roads "slated" yet, they have applied for money from the state but have no set plans for what they will do till they see how much they get. And that is the prudent approach. Wait and see what help we can get and then they can accurately plan what can be done.
See? We agree. HF is using the prudent approach and carefully moving forward.
Meanwhile, my neighbor has to wait to get his tree removed because of the "prudent" budget. It'll cost more if it knocks down wires and hits a car and kills someone.